Talking to Josephine Decker in theory is terrifying, because I’ll be honest: Most of her movies, for me, have required two viewings to get my head around, and in this particular circumstance I didn’t get a chance to go for a second round with Shirley, the film I called to talk to her about. Talking to Decker in practice was a discombobulating hoot, because I was not expecting her to show up on camera for the Zoom call we had set up for our interview. This was at first a big distraction, and after that, a mercy. Made the whole conversation easier.
You can read the full conversation, where we unpack the Russian nesting doll that is Shirley‘s narrative, over at Paste Magazine.